Features missing from M740AV

[hamish]

Although possibly not yet transmitted as part of the digital broadcast in Germany most other boxes can receive the radio stations that are transmitted as stand alone reduced bandwidth channels . In UK on top of the TV there are about 15 radio stations. The M740 detects them as stations during the tuning process but does not display then in the EPG thetefore they cannot be listened to. I suspect they have not yet got around to writing that part of the software

[hagalulu]

Strange - what do you think has been detected?. There are no radio stations, that's it.

I think hamish has detected the radio stations in UK. Why shouldn't there be some?
As he already mentioned I think this feature (like others) has yet not been well implemented, because it isn't used in in Germany yet.

@hamish: have you bought the m740 in UK? how much is it there? do you have the same firmware?

hagalulu

[hamish]

I bought my box in Germany and use it in UK.

The transmissions in the UK have much more content as they have been operating for many years.

We in uk have a number of the digital channels asigned to radio. This will most likely happen in Germany.

There are other features standard on most other boxes not currently included in the M740

In UK ther are data channels which the fully capable boxed can decode

The M740 detects then and even ads then to the EPG but cannot do anything with the data.

In UK similar to what is available on Satalite we have red button interactive capability

example

BBC News 24
with all other boxes I can hit the red button the picture reduces in size and I have a data menu to sellect more indepth news. I can also select different video streams selecting between say sports news and say headlines.

These features will most likely be added to to your transmissions as the user take up becomes greater

The M740 has not got this feature programmed in it yet
phillips, Thompson, Panasonic etc all have these features

There are also some problems with standard TV as the M740 cannot receive some of the UK channels. I am investigating this and will be able to report more in about 2 weeks

[Doctah]

We in uk have a number of the digital channels asigned to radio. This will most likely happen in Germany
I wouldn't be too sure about that. It has been discussed and there were massive political (well, rather economical...) interests against dvb-t-radio. The official statament is now that dvb-t-radio is not needed since Germany is covered by so many high quality (analogue) FM stations... :p

[leica]

I wouldn't be too sure about that. It has been discussed and there were massive political (well, rather economical...) interests against dvb-t-radio. The official statament is now that dvb-t-radio is not needed since Germany is covered by so many high quality (analogue) FM stations... :p

Not only this may be the reason-since years the public is investing mass sums in so called DAB (digital audio broadcasting) which was invented for years but never accepted by the customers. So now we could use DVB-T doing the same but too much money was spent in DAB ....

greetings

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[Rechenaugust]

I don't understand what this discussion should be good for. Currently there is no version of the Siemens box that is intended for the international market. It does not make sense to ask for features that are useless in the market where the product is intended for. It's clearly not a "missing" feature.

I agree not to discuss requests about features which are not supported by the network

[bodo]

I agree not to discuss requests about features which are not supported by the network

Principally aggreed, but I would be very interested in the experience of hamish with M740 in the UK or other international markets, maybe I am not the only one...?

@hamish: I would like to ask you to post your findings here.

@admin: What do you think about an international section/subsection of the forum?

Regards, Bodo

[hamish]

An international section might be a good idea.
I cannot be the only international user of the box.
It has got quite a lot of coverage even as far as the USA
Before purchasing the box I asked Siemens about UK compatibility.
Their answer was you may have to change the electric plug from two pin to three.
I thought DVB-T was meant to at last bring a common standard across Europe and I believe Siemens are trying to produce a box for the whole Market as Carfoeur supermarket (wrong spelling) in Spain has agreed to purchase a very large number of these Siemens boxes.

I have passed my comments about the box to Siemens and await their reply

If a International section is added then international links would help.
Although doing mant google searched from the UK I never found this Forum. I came upon it by accident.

bodo: thanks for your comments and puting up with my lack of German I should be better as I am a regular traveller to your country

[hamish]

Hi I am back again. I received my high gain antenna today and attached it to confirm whether I could get known missing channels.

I think my findings are interesting

1/ the only way to retune the box is to do a factory reset!!

2/ Under this condition it does an automatic tune from 2 upwards. It will only tune any given channel once so if it detects it on say 22 and again on 65 it will ignore it on 65 even if you would rather use 65 as it has a more reliable signal. If you have regional programme differences on a channel (ITV Scottish and ITV Grampian) it will only tune ITV in once at the lowest channel number.

3/ The tuner stores at least 60+ channels the EPG only displays the first 30 channels it thinks it can decode. You can therefore never view channels on a high tuning number if you have a large number on the lower tuning numbers.
note you can have 14+ tv channels on any tuning number

4/ If you remove a channel from the epg you do not want it remains in the tuner store the EPG only displays 29 it does not add the next available channel

5/ you cannot replace the deleted channel in the EPG without doing a factory reset which results in a complete retune brom the bottom up.

[bodo]

Hi I am back again. I received my high gain antenna today and attached it to confirm whether I could get known missing channels.

I think my findings are interesting [...]


... very interesting, some questions on this_

1) Did your try the command "Search" in the Settings/Programs Menu? Does this not work?

2) Hmm. I can not reproduce this, cause multiple channels with the same TV programm are currently not used in Germany (as far as I know).

3) Uups, this is pretty new to me. In the Rhein Main area (arround Frankfurt/Main) we are only able to receive 22 TV programs, while a maximum of 4 programs per channel are broadcasted.

BTW: I mean with channel a specific frequency range, not a TV programm. I think my term "channel" is synonymic to your term "tuning numer" and my term program to your term "channel".

It totally new to me, that it would be possible in DVB-T to broadcast 14+ channels/programs per tuning numer/channel.
Is there a UK specific implementation of DVB-T with such differences from the German one? Strange.

4) Do you used the command "Delete" from the Settings/Programs/Sort menu?
Again, I cannot follow this, cause of missing programs :-)

5) ditto...

As I recognize, there seem to be fundamental differences between UK and German DVB-T. This makes it hard to reproduce failures or even to make observations.

I will ask the admin to put an international section in the forum. But of course he has to decide on this...
Maybe there are some other international customres ozt there, which could share there experiences with you.

Regards from Germany,

Bodo

[bodo]

bodo: thanks for your comments and puting up with my lack of German I should be better as I am a regular traveller to your country

No probs for me. German seems to be one these languages, which is hard to learn as a second-language... :-)

Bodo

[hamish]

Thanks Bodo

1/ I have found that once you have tuned all stations using search manual or auto there is no way of deleting them except for a factory reset.

delete only deletes from the epg.

something you could try

use delete to delete one of your stations from the epg.
Try and get it back

There is no way i believe

auto or manual tune will not put it back.

Factory reset will delete all tuned stations.
then setup will do a auto retune find all the stations and put back the one you deleted


Note Where I live in Scotland I have two transmitters transmitting on different channels in line with each other. One at 15km the other at 75km both give good signal strength.

I still await comments from Siemens.

I do think this will be a great little box once the programming experts behind this Forum manage to merge the features of PRISMIQ a box with very similar hardware (not DVB-T) with M740 DVB-T with poor other features.